https://www.podbean.com/eau/pb-miikh-18d449e
🎙️ Episode OverviewWhat if leadership isn't about control, but resonance?
In this episode of The Pivot, Dave Schoof speaks with Sonja Blignaut about rewilding, untaming, and how to lead through complexity and change. They explore how to find your way in liminal times — when the old maps no longer work — and why resonance, embodiment, and imagination may be the skills most needed now.
Sonja is a Wayfinding guide and complexity practitioner with 20+ years of experience helping leaders navigate uncertainty. Her work bridges natural science, art, and contemplative practice — weaving intellect and intuition, structure and emergence.
🎧 More about Sonja: https://www.morebeyond.co.za🎙️ Learn more about the show: https://www.daveschoof.com
⏳ Episode Highlights03:01 – The Liminal Phase: Collective Rite of Passage07:48 – Complexity as Braiding11:28 – Rewilding vs. Untaming15:19 – The Disquiet & Existential Angst19:13 – Embodiment & Breaking the Woo-Woo Barrier24:40 – Bridging & Liminal Creatures29:35 – Hope vs. Despair Oscillation35:17 – Love as an Organizing Principle37:57 – Science, Rationality & the Imaginal40:45 – Wayfinding Framework Deep Dive47:48 – Emergence & Fields50:18 – Evolving the Coach/Guide Role54:58 – Capacity Building & Resilience58:44 – Future Directions & Retreats1:02:20 – Enchantment & Integration
💬 Key Quotes
“We are all in the flux… there's an ‘all in this together’ kind of sense.”“Complexity means braided together — it doesn’t really serve us to keep things apart.”“We don’t need more rational. We need more imaginal.”
🔗 Resources Mentioned
Michael Mead (mythologist)
Polynesian Wayfinders
Glennon Doyle – Untamed
Marcus Buckingham (Harvard research on love at work)
Trish Blaine – “Airlock” concept
Original music by Phil Schoof
Production: Phil Schoof